Zeal true motivations maybe will be revealed in the sequel but in practice the two vampires aren't so innocent as they seem. They were holding the amazons hostages, etc. They become friendly only after you kill Mother Morte, but you shouldn't really trust them

I see, my thoughts on the reason the vampires captured the Amazons were because the Amazons intruded their castle first, so I don't feel any wrong for the vampires' action.

But if you say so......Still, it's really such a pity that the vampires died, especially the lord; he's so handsome, > <~

My thoughts exactly, with exception that I would say especially the female vampire since she is so beautiful. This was the hardest choice to make in game as I really wanted to make that deal with Zeal as I liked him and agreed with him on meters of "Why shouldn't demons walk the earth?" I don't see why should all Demons have to be evil and find it to be quite racist but I really didn't want to kill those vampires as I liked them too.

I see, my thoughts on the reason the vampires captured the Amazons were because the Amazons intruded their castle first, so I don't feel any wrong for the vampires' action.

But if you say so......Still, it's really such a pity that the vampires died, especially the lord; he's so handsome, > <~

My thoughts exactly, with exception that I would say especially the female vampire since she is so beautiful. This was the hardest choice to make in game as I really wanted to make that deal with Zeal as I liked him and agreed with him on meters of "Why shouldn't demons walk the earth?" I don't see why should all Demons have to be evil and find it to be quite racist but I really didn't want to kill those vampires as I liked them too.

Maybe it's because I played far too much Vampire the Masquerade back in the day, so when I was dealing the vampires, regardless of what Zeal wanted, I killed the vampires regardless (hell, even before meeting Zeal at times, too). Whether the vampires captured the Amazon scouts for sneaking into their castle or not, what do think the vampires are going to do with them? Eventually let them go on probation, give them a scolding, merely keep them locked up for a time? No, you're dealing with an undead parasitic entity of the night, whether the Amazons trespassed into the vampires' domain or not--their being captured results the same way (at least in my mind), that being they are now a caged meal, each one of them. Maybe one or two will be "lucky enough" to be bound and enslaved under their power. If you're believing they're all nice and kindly simply because of their looks or their acting amicable for the moment, then succeeded in deceiving you. How do you expect vampires--creatures who rely on blending into human society, drawing humans into their domain on infiltrating into human facets to act? Rude? Mean? Spiteful? No, smart vampires know they'll get much further--and that it's far more easier to manipulate humans to be willing to do what the vampire wants with a friendly arm around the shoulder, a pleasant smile, and polite conversation and discourse. They want their victims to not see them as a threat, they don't want them to see the danger they pose, it makes everything so much easier for them.



Again, sure, it maybe my views on vampires are colored by my past in playing a lot of Vampire the Masquerade (an RPG where there is no such thing as a good guy and it's bad guys vs badder guys) back in the day. But even so, regardless of how amicable or sweet a vampire may act or present themselves, in the end, no matter what when dealing with a vampire you're dealing with a parasitic monster of the night that'll slaughter any man, woman, or child if it ensures their own survival and fulfills their own ends.

Regarding the N'Mar ones they were created from bites. I wanted to make one day a game about the "origins" of Valery/Zachary. Maybe, one day (no, I'm not starting a new game!! )

Since vampires aren't real (as far as we know), their origins can be many different things, depending on the writer. If vampirism is a curse or a disease that turns an otherwise civilized person into a soulless fiend that kills former family and friends, then clearly society would root them out.



But even if vampires are an entirely different species, then they're clearly above humans on the food chain, and would thus also be rooted out, for our own protection.



I don't think any society would tolerate their clear and open existence anywhere near their lands.

(no, I'm not starting a new game!! )

Also, unrelated subject: what does CG stand for? I see that all over the forums.

Does being on the food chain above humans makes them bad? Sure humans probably wouldn't like them very much but if you can look at things from more objective prospective it hardly matters what one race subjectively thinks about other.

Does being on the food chain above humans makes them bad? Sure humans probably wouldn't like them very much but if you can look at things from more objective prospective it hardly matters what one race subjectively thinks about other.

It's simple to look at things objectively in a free information society with good protection from most dangers. Living in a world where the creature next door might enslave you, or drain you, your family and friends of their blood probably doesn't lend much in the way of objectivity. Loking back at human history, if there's something more dangerous than humans, we find some way to gain an advantage. An intelligent predator with much lower numbers would have to hide, and if found would have to relocate or expect a shortened life span.



You, as the player, can of course take a romantic, or if you prefer, an enlightened view, but I find it hard to see how the characters living in Aravorn would do the same.

Does being on the food chain above humans makes them bad? Sure humans probably wouldn't like them very much but if you can look at things from more objective prospective it hardly matters what one race subjectively thinks about other. As I see it if humans tried to root out vampires just because vampires are superior to them and humans fear them then humans are bad ones.



Sure since it is a fiction writer can even write a story about a war in witch one nation is completely good and other is completely evil but that story wouldn't be very realistic and I would say also isn't very well thought.

Does being on the food chain above humans makes them bad? Sure humans probably wouldn't like them very much but if you can look at things from more objective prospective it hardly matters what one race subjectively thinks about other. As I see it if humans tried to root out vampires just because vampires are superior to them and humans fear them then humans are bad ones.



Sure since it is a fiction writer can even write a story about a war in witch one nation is completely good and other is completely evil but that story wouldn't be very realistic and I would say also isn't very well thought.

How do you view animals that you eat, or the produce (if you personally don't eat meat) that gives you nutrients? You may "respect" it, you may even be "kindly" to it, but in the end, you still wind up killing it, chopping it up (in some cases while its still alive), and devouring it. Sure, mass-production farms and factories may do all of that for you, which in turn removes you entirely from the process. So in a way, you may feel nothing for the life that's being killed for you. But you may feel something, perhaps pity for the creatures or produce being killed for you. But how much comfort does that give those lives being killed--many cases quite painfully so? And now you see things through a vampires eyes, how one would view humans in which they feed and often will kill. Sure, one may pity or even be kindly to mankind, but at the end of the day, just like you when biting into and enjoying that ham/veggieburger, so will they when biting into your flesh. And that in a nutshell is a vampire, stripping away all the philosophical b.s. or politics of "They could just be misunderstood!".



It doesn't matter how you may try to justify why they do what they do, regardless there is a reason why in every folklore they've fallen under either being undead--or demonically cursed undead monster of the night that no human is safe with, even when not to be used as a meal, in fact, many of those tales the human winds up with a fate worse than death--enslavement and eternal damnation. Nice.,. But, yeah, vampires--otherwise great folks just totally misunderstood.

Does killing humans automatically make you bad?

Sure they do kill and eat humans but they are not beasts they have intelligence and can choose who to kill and who not to kill,

if they choose to kill and feed only on their enemies and not on innocent then they are not doing anything wrong,

in fact if they ware to choose to only feed and kill on criminals and on their enemies then they would even be beneficial to society, and let's not forget that they don't necessarily have to kill people they feed on to begin with.

I think that "vampires are all bad" thing comes from "Killing anyone is bad" hypocrisy and people's unability to look at things more objectively and therefore come to ridicules conclusion that if something is harmful to humans it must be bad as well as people extreme fear of anything that is more powerful then them and could be harmful to them.