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Tellah Aug 21, 2012
Stuff about non-expansion endgame stuff is mentioned here, as well as a factoid from Mesphit romance path.


"Killing Zeal without Sauzer in your party will kill Mesphit."

...wow, I actually really like Mesphit, but I want to see what happens that causes him to die there. :shock:



Then again I think I may be sort of a misery-guts- before the expansion was released I'd keep killing off the main character (who was in a romance) just to see how their romantic partner reacted...

...then I'd reload choose someone else because it was too depressing otherwise XD



Poor Mesphit though, he has like at least two ways to perma-kill him XD

Aleema Aug 21, 2012


Poor Mesphit though, he has like at least two ways to perma-kill him XD




He has a billion ways. :( He's a little suicidal.



And I'm glad at least someone is seeing the little sad scenes I write. :P I can't recommend them, but they needed to be written.

jack1974 Aug 21, 2012

At the Grandtree, when you have protected the town, until the townfame is about 50 (That's as high as it go, no?) there is a discount, but for some reason the townfame has gone up to 200 suddenly and the discount is 100% meaning (everything's free! Yay!) which, of course this an outmost tragedy for these poor elves trying to get by.

That shouldn't happen anymore after version 1.1g :)
Tellah Aug 21, 2012


Poor Mesphit though, he has like at least two ways to perma-kill him XD




He has a billion ways. :( He's a little suicidal.



And I'm glad at least someone is seeing the little sad scenes I write. :P I can't recommend them, but they needed to be written.



...end stuff and talk of sads under the spoiler.


XD Great, now you have me wondering how many ways you can get Mesphit killed...



Somehow it makes it okay to choose a scene where it has a sad outcome if I know there's a better/less depressing way I can reload and try afterwards... and my curiosity gets the better of me.

...though to be fair the ending that made me sorta-cry first was the romance ending with Draco, because I interpreted the very end of it as Saren dieing in his sleep and Draco and him meeting up in the afterlife.

...if I recall right anyway.

Aleema Aug 21, 2012
Yes, you interpreted it right. :)
Tellah Aug 21, 2012
XD Well, at the risk of drifting off-topic-


I'll say that while it made me cry, it was a happy sort of cry. Draco's romance has been my favorite one so far (he's kind of my favorite CHARACTER, I'd say, even when not romancing him).



...I still need to go and try to finish romancing a suicidal demonic elf, though. I'm sure THAT is gonna end well :lol:

kuracha-macha Aug 23, 2012
As a nitpicky user that doesn't like bugs, I'll just say the updated romance guide just made me more excited.

Must not touch beta version...



Going with the flow of off-topic:


I have to say Draco's my favorite too. I can't usually tolerate yaoi things but I found his path very cute~ (I teared up a little in some parts yeah)



Hmm, there are LOT of things that can happen between you and a "suicidal demonic" elf... But I guess it's not gonna be that pretty? XD

At least in the end someone heals his pain :3

jtitor Aug 23, 2012

Must not touch beta version...


Do eet

All kids are doing it (and most bugs are gone now xD at least game-breaking wise)
kuracha-macha Aug 23, 2012
I suppose I might try, but I guess I'll just sit here first forming headcanons from the cutscene terms in the guide :P
Tellah Aug 25, 2012
So, I got both the Elenor/Mesphit AND the Saren/Mesphit romance endings- (so, spoilers contained within!)


I actually liked the end romance scene with Saren better- both of the poor protagonists had to sort of learn to out-stubborn a hugely stubborn dark elf... but poor Saren's the one who had to drag his injured self into Everburn to get through to him, so it's even more dramatic to me.



Elenor's the one who sort of gets more of an ambiguously happy ending, though... I hope the Saren scene in the epilogue might be hinting that Mesphit will be a returning character for the sequel.

I mean even outside of the romances, there's the question of 'if demons aren't evil, why is demon!Mesphit so out of control' that I either missed the answer to, or it hasn't been answered- so it'd be interesting.

Aleema Aug 25, 2012
Most of the demons can't control themselves because they are being ordered to do something by a bad person. They're essentially being hijacked in the same way that Mesphit is. Also, even if they do attack on their own accord, can you blame them? They need to protect themselves in a world where they're assumed to be evil monsters. Some demons think that they should conquer Aravorn in order to exist in it, since the humans/elves/etc are the "evil" ones to them (attacking them on sight, destroying their homes, etc). In the sequel, we will explore that in more detail.
Tellah Aug 25, 2012
I'm glad that's getting explored more in the sequel- especially in the expansion, it came across more often that the 'evil' races were either dupes of Fost and/or defending themselves (the lizardmen, etc).

It's just with what drove him to go demon in the first place largely being worked on, (and in a romance, with someone who'll accept him no matter what and all), it just seems a little strange to me that Mesphit gets worse...

Well, like I said, I kinda hope he pops up in the sequel. He IS one of the ones who directly brings up the question of demons being evil.
jack1974 Aug 25, 2012
All characters of main game will show up one way or another in sequel or some other game/spin-off (not necessarily as playing characters). I mean, you haven't seen the last of him for sure :wink:
Tellah Aug 25, 2012
XD That's also good news- I may be yammering on a lot about Mesphit lately, but over the course of the game I've grown fond of just about everyone.
KJ5233 Aug 29, 2012
Letting everyone know I'm not much of a gamer so forgive me if I ask stupid questions.



I done 3 run thoughs once as Saren and twice as Loren. My first run through I was able to romance Myrth but nothing on the next two. I swear on the 3rd somewhere during the game I lost all my hearts but could be wrong. I have not been getting all the offers for romance I've been hearing about so I will now refer to the guide as I play and see if it gets better



I've been playing around with weapons and armor looking to strengthen the players. Also adding when available special abilities when players level up. There have been times when some players powers seem lessened and I'm not sure why. And I do understand when they have been staggered and stuff like like that. I mean there are times when Amukiki hit 94-109 and others 55-58.



Lastly (I know I getting way off topic) I am confused on the "human path" Elv path" and now the "ember blade path" I also didn't realize how important the character set up was and how many choices and vairables there are.



Yes I am playing on easy. I tried normal on the 2nd and was killed off in the 4th chapter. I'll get there as I find this fun as hell. From reading some of the posts; how the hell do you find time to do that many run thoughs? Takes me a week.
Pace675 Aug 29, 2012
Letting everyone know I'm not much of a gamer so forgive me if I ask stupid questions.



I done 3 run thoughs once as Saren and twice as Loren. My first run through I was able to romance Myrth but nothing on the next two. I swear on the 3rd somewhere during the game I lost all my hearts but could be wrong. I have not been getting all the offers for romance I've been hearing about so I will now refer to the guide as I play and see if it gets better


Well some romances are gender specific and Myrth is one of them so Ellenor can flirt with her. But you mentioned that she had gained affection (the hearts) that would be a bug with a female protagonist.



Yes I am playing on easy. I tried normal on the 2nd and was killed off in the 4th chapter. I'll get there as I find this fun as hell. From reading some of the posts; how the hell do you find time to do that many run thoughs? Takes me a week.


Some people might have more free time than others, others have a lot of playing experince with these type of games. Some people like me focus on a play through took me six hours to finish the game on normal, I pretty much only focused on courting Loren with Ell (That gives me a lot of incentive to replay the game over and over again to see each character's dialogue).



As for your other question I think an answer by the developers of this fine game should answer.
jack1974 Aug 30, 2012

I done 3 run thoughs once as Saren and twice as Loren. My first run through I was able to romance Myrth but nothing on the next two. I swear on the 3rd somewhere during the game I lost all my hearts but could be wrong. I have not been getting all the offers for romance I've been hearing about so I will now refer to the guide as I play and see if it gets better

There was the "heart bugs" but was in older version, so if you got 1.1k and up there shouldn't be it anymore.

I've been playing around with weapons and armor looking to strengthen the players. Also adding when available special abilities when players level up. There have been times when some players powers seem lessened and I'm not sure why. And I do understand when they have been staggered and stuff like like that. I mean there are times when Amukiki hit 94-109 and others 55-58.

Depends on your weapons, on other character buffs (Loren can buff other party members improving the attack for example with Battlecry skill) but also on the enemies. Tougher enemies will have harder armor so the same character that was doing 75-100hp of damage might do 50-75hp for example. You need to look at the values on the left of the screen while fighting, and also check the enemies elemental weaknesses. For some is obvious, for example Fire Demon, if you use the Flood skill of Apolimesho you'll get a big damage bonus.

Lastly (I know I getting way off topic) I am confused on the "human path" Elv path" and now the "ember blade path" I also didn't realize how important the character set up was and how many choices and vairables there are.

It's only a plot thing - there's no "right or wrong" choice, was just to differentiate the plot a bit :)

Yes I am playing on easy. I tried normal on the 2nd and was killed off in the 4th chapter. I'll get there as I find this fun as hell. From reading some of the posts; how the hell do you find time to do that many run thoughs? Takes me a week.

Haha well, some people have more time, some are faster at playing, some are more skilled, and so on. Personally I now play all the AAA games always at easy level because I don't have much time but I want to finish them :mrgreen:
KJ5233 Aug 30, 2012
Obviously I meant Elenor not Loren. See I told you I was a newbie.



Thanks for the answers folks.
MarSel Sep 05, 2012
I have avoided all spoilers for a while and am not going back through them, since there are far too many all over the place too. I'm sorry if this has been asked. I just got the Expansion today and was wondering




Karen's Quest. Was the little half lizard girl (big hint) the same that is going to be in the sequel? (forgotten her name :? )if so I'm surprise you didn't want to do a little sprite for her?

jack1974 Sep 05, 2012
It's not as simple as it is - making a little sprite could have delayed the release even by 1 month :( I mean adding last minute stuff is good if you don't have problems with deadlines, but the expansion was supposed to be out "this summer" and is already September... :lol: Sauzer's "new outfit" (just to avoid spoilers) was finished only the 31st July for example, and I had planned it in May.