jack1974
May 02, 2014
Haha yes I was unsure if to allow the bombs or not. Should I? they were used a lot on Loren, so I kept them, but raised the price. Not sure...
Anima_
May 02, 2014
That leaves the potions though.
Did you check in the potions shop (Shagala)? there are healing potions there 
Yes. Even looked under her bed, strip searched her and had Shea empty her chamberpot. No healing potions.
About the quests/location I think I put wrong numbers in the checks, the right ones should be: 7 quests and 6 locations. Will update it on next update.
I had 7/6 locations found at the start of the third chapter and got the bonus at 4 locations.
1 skill on start + 1 on level 2 + 1 on level 4 + 1 on level 6 = 4 skills when you're level 6. Then the others would be every 3 levels. I need to make sure to update the descriptions, but makes sense to give them earlier.
Yes, it's not that big a change. Level 2 and 3 are pretty close together. But it took a while to go to level 6 for the next skill and you barely have time to use it.
renke_
May 02, 2014
It was 400 gold or so for the 150 dmg bomb - I think a fair price (bang per buck-wise
). As some kind of emergency hell-machine useful, at this price point not used for normal opponents.
And the spider wasn't _that_ hard without the backpack-nuke: Study opponent and take aim are your friends, took me 4-5 rounds.
But something completely different: The purify-skill is described as "..reduces negative conditions" - is that actually implemented? It seems to have no effect on staggered, poisoned and paralyzed.
Anima_
May 02, 2014
Staggered isn't really a negative condition in the framework. The other two are of course.
0.74 in general is much easier than the 0.72 version. I even managed to (barely) kill a Snowtiger Alpha before getting Vaelis. That was on my run faster list in the old version.
renke_
May 02, 2014
0.74 in general is much easier than the 0.72 version. I even managed to (barely) kill a Snowtiger Alpha before getting Vaelis.
oh, this should be impossible? I downed the beast in 0.73 with the twins while still level 2 (I think). but anyway, I'm more a casual player - enough nightmares, back to normal; I'm not really fond of restarting battles
edited to add: The spider mission was also with 0.73
jack1974
May 02, 2014
OK will make sure there are enough healing potions then
I rechecked again, and this time I'm sure: the final count is 8 quests and 6 locations. I am going to update both the display and check on next update.
It was 400 gold or so for the 150 dmg bomb - I think a fair price (bang per buck-wise ). As some kind of emergency hell-machine useful, at this price point not used for normal opponents.
Yes it's a very high price indeed. For now will keep as it is then
But something completely different: The purify-skill is described as "..reduces negative conditions" - is that actually implemented? It seems to have no effect on staggered, poisoned and paralyzed.
Yes should remove all beside staggered. I think I need to add to the list the new effects I have added myself though (or I must find a way to cycle through the negative condition of a target and eliminate them all!).
Regarding difficulty, I think it varies greatly depending on which skills and items you carry. For normal encounters, the Hide in Shadows+Critical Hit of Hunter against 1-2 enemies is deadly, will let you win any battles if you have enough mana
In general though, I prefer if this first part, even in Nightmare mode, leans towards the "easy" than "impossible" since after all is just the first part of the story.
Anima_
May 02, 2014
@ renke_s Snowtiger Alpha
Don't know if there were changes to that between 0.72 and 0.73. It's mostly a question how often that beast uses pounce. Pounce can two shot you and it gets two round sometimes.
renke_
May 02, 2014
@ renke_s Snowtiger Alpha
Don't know if there were changes to that between 0.72 and 0.73. It's mostly a question how often that beast uses pounce. Pounce can two shot you and it gets two round sometimes.
I solved this with hide in shadows and defend. The damage level gets managable while the druid missiles the tiger - after 3 rounds of hiding even a front-line hunter survives the remaining two attacks.
yayswords
May 02, 2014
In general though, I prefer if this first part, even in Nightmare mode, leans towards the "easy" than "impossible" since after all is just the first part of the story.
+1
But I don't know what to whine about anymore if it can't be balance
although I heavily agree with Anima's point that you can't really cast many spells with the early mana pool.
Anima_
May 02, 2014
I solved this with hide in shadows and defend. The damage level gets managable while the druid missiles the tiger - after 3 rounds of hiding even a front-line hunter survives the remaining two attacks.
Didn't try that combination yet. Now I wonder if the Hunter wouldn't make the better tank. Just bump Skill, Constitution and Will and than simply sit there and get pounded. Not exactly what you'd envision for that class but kinda hilarious.
yayswords
May 02, 2014
I thought about that too, for example a level 1 hunter in the arena with HiS + Defend had more defense than a level 6 outfitted Vaelis, BUT. Longterm you're not gonna be alone in the frontline and enemies will probably just hit your partners instead. I mean even in this first season you can't really be alone there. What's Vaelis gonna do in the back?
jack1974
May 02, 2014
But I don't know what to whine about anymore if it can't be balance although I heavily agree with Anima's point that you can't really cast many spells with the early mana pool.
Yes is true, but once you have more party members is less noticeable. For now won't touch this. In general I think will wait to make big changes (such as reducing casting costs of spells) until the whole 2nd season is done, then that should give a much better overview of problems. Anyway I've already fixed a ton of bugs after just 2 days and is cool, thanks all for the help
Didn't try that combination yet. Now I wonder if the Hunter wouldn't make the better tank. Just bump Skill, Constitution and Will and than simply sit there and get pounded. Not exactly what you'd envision for that class but kinda hilarious.
Hmm could change it so that hide in shadows works only in the back row
probably makes more sense, a bit weird for someone in the frontline to disappear completely
yayswords
May 02, 2014
Hmm could change it so that hide in shadows works only in the back row probably makes more sense, a bit weird for someone in the frontline to disappear completely
I don't think it's an issue. Also it's nice to have HiS if you're gonna get pushed to the frontline and not have time to swap back.
jack1974
May 02, 2014
Yes besides I also forget that later in the game you can wear heavy armor with the Ranger, so that should make him/her again a good frontline unit
yayswords
May 02, 2014
Now for some theorycrafting. I think Perfect Balance sucks donkeyballs. I mean I haven't even tried it yet, but just from the numbers. It can grant you at most 50 HP or 50 SP, at the expense of the other. It also costs 10 SP. Even with nightmare mode stat gain, I will eventually in just the first season get more out of the regular heal/manaheal. Yes at a higher delay, but an instant effect and pretty much at a lower cost: 25 SP for 50% HP or SP, rather than 10 SP and 50SP/HP for 50HP/SP. If you want this skill to be useful, it needs to be more dynamic and thereby more nerdy. Right now the only circumstance where I could see myself using it is if it had virtually no SP cost and delay, in which case I could give it to a druid (or a future caster) for +5 SP regen while the relative safety of the backline makes the HP drop affordable.
However before we even go playing with the numbers, consider that if this becomes decent, the hunter has both the manaheal and this and we could find ourselves in a similar seat as we did with the ranger. I should really like to see it removed. I am sure we can easily think of a skill to replace it. For example, Rei (and Dora?) had skills that benefited from a burning, frozen, tired or shattered target. I was really hoping to see one such on the hunter. It could be here.
Also is any new character getting Guard? 'cause judging from Loren that ability is quite invaluable. I know rangers have it.
Okay, I want to add that Vaelis' Recover feels very weak. -25% speed for 7 turns for a net gain of 20 SP. Not sure what to do with it, I would probably like to see a % restoration.
I like having a dedicated tank but the problem is that unless he's got a lot of speed - typically the high defense gear outright reduces speed - he's not gonna be able to taunt or guard before the first wave of enemy actions. What if you could start a fight with some initial hate simply for having skilled Taunt? BTW, good call with the low SP/delay on Taunt and Guard.
Oh also (I'm editing this post like a madman) does hate work this way: A character's portion of the hate is equal to the hate they've caused divided by the hate the entire party has caused, or is it trickier than that? Is 1 point of damage 1 point of hate? Healing? Does buffing affect it?
jack1974
May 03, 2014
However before we even go playing with the numbers, consider that if this becomes decent, the hunter has both the manaheal and this and we could find ourselves in a similar seat as we did with the ranger. I should really like to see it removed. I am sure we can easily think of a skill to replace it. For example, Rei (and Dora?) had skills that benefited from a burning, frozen, tired or shattered target. I was really hoping to see one such on the hunter. It could be here.
Yes, I'm not entirely sure about that skill too. And now that moved the invigorating prayer to the Hunter, doesn't need that. I could have a very powerful skill that does big damage with burned, frozen, tired indeed (any of those condition, not just one). Yes I think I'll do that. Also I need something else for the double attack otherwise is too similar to the Critical Hit. Probably will push target back, or slow him.
Also is any new character getting Guard? 'cause judging from Loren that ability is quite invaluable. I know rangers have it.
Yes, Krimm will get one, a variant of it. I suspect will be very popular
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Okay, I want to add that Vaelis' Recover feels very weak. -25% speed for 7 turns for a net gain of 20 SP. Not sure what to do with it, I would probably like to see a % restoration.
Yes when I designed that, the speed had a minor impact than now, so makes sense to give something like 10% SP recover instead.
I like having a dedicated tank but the problem is that unless he's got a lot of speed - typically the high defense gear outright reduces speed - he's not gonna be able to taunt or guard before the first wave of enemy actions. What if you could start a fight with some initial hate simply for having skilled Taunt? BTW, good call with the low SP/delay on Taunt and Guard.
Well if you move first with the Druid you can cast Speed of Eagle and then move first
But also in general when you have a full party things will change, since you can last longer in battles (I think).
Oh also (I'm editing this post like a madman) does hate work this way: A character's portion of the hate is equal to the hate they've caused divided by the hate the entire party has caused, or is it trickier than that? Is 1 point of damage 1 point of hate? Healing? Does buffing affect it?
Every action has a hate impact, dealing damage to opponents obviously, but also healing. I would like this hate mechanic to be stronger than in Loren, a bit similar to what happens in the MMORPG so the player can TRY to get the enemies to attack the tank (of course shouldn't always work).
yayswords
May 03, 2014
Wait, so Protect is like Guard except it increases the defense of the guy who won't get hit anyway? What meaning is there to that difference?
When you intercept an attack through Guard/Protect, do you actually do so using your ally's defense and not your own? Then I could see the attractiveness.
Oh and zomg, Krimm has the Clarity icon for one of her skills. I wonder what that does. Maybe she shaves her head midbattle, sounds more likely than having a skill like Clarity on a barbarian :D
I am not sure about pushback. While I love the mechanic, a hunter has (or should have) enough ways to murder the enemy back row without also being able to let allies join in.
Nightmare battles ATM feel a bit too much like Loren I think. Attacks that require a staggered target feel a bit meaningless 'cause by the time you've staggered someone they are so close to death a normal hit will do. But I still think that can be an issue to solve in later seasons; we have so little SP right now that I like the battles being short.
Also a flavor thing: If only Krimm has Protect, then have the description say "Krimm" and not "The character". Goes for every case where a character has a unique skill really, makes them feel more special rather than just possessing an arbitrary mix of skills to be found around the world.
jack1974
May 03, 2014
Haha yes the defense is applied to the defender , not the defended!
though maybe can also give another bonus to the target, like more speed or attack. Need to see
About the stagger, I raised a bit the stagger value in Nightmare in last update, so maybe went up too much: I'm going to try lowering that again, since that doesn't need to be too high.
yayswords
May 03, 2014
It seems very easy to get magic bonuses from jewelry, not too hard to get speed or defense, but attack is rare and usually accompanied by at least as much +magic. I'm not sure there is jewelry without +magic at all. Is this intended?
Also on the jewelry topic: Cracked Fortified Necklace (level 2), Regular Dazzling Necklace (level 5). Exact same stats, even though the latter one sounds like it should have significantly higher quality.
jack1974
May 03, 2014
Yes, is all randomized but magic items have in general mode Magic while weapons have more Attack bonuses.
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