Winter Wolves - Roommates - Roommates BETA! 0.9.6 (25.02.2014)

MrEnvy8 Feb 20, 2014

So a couple of things I'm wondering if people have found/tested yet for the whole Prisoner's Dilemma.

*Have you betrayed Roxanne and gotten her job interruptions at your advanced jobs?

*Have you betrayed Anne while you were on her path? You should get rejected at the spring break scene.

*Have any of you gotten your partner to betray you? This is easier when playing as Anne with Max as your partnwr.

Just curious, thanks!

Miakoda Feb 20, 2014

Minor Typo. Playing as Max, Week 8 Monday, the line starts: I'm can barely hearing him talking about...

I believe the 'I'm ' should be just an I.

About the Prisoner's Dilemma:

I haven't gone looking for those specifically. It really isn't in my nature to normally do such things

However, I am certainly willing to go through and try some of those a bit later, if you wish. Certainly makes sense to test those out (and make sure there are no bugs)

Lonestar51 Feb 20, 2014

*Have you betrayed Anne while you were on her path? You should get rejected at the spring break scene.

Well, tested it just for you. Not that I would do something like this to her ;-)

(Not while trying to woo her... :twisted:

) Seems fine, but I did not check 100% for typos. I get

40% relationship drop at the betrayal scene, and Anne specifically mentions the betrayal when rejecting me, spring break friday.

Miakoda Feb 20, 2014

I don't know if this is a bug or not. I was doing the Max X Rakesh path, and got up to the staring contest (Week 11, Wednesday). I have Rakesh up to 65 for the relationship. I decided to help Dominic. Max gives Rakesh a kiss, and this pleases him (+5 to Rakesh), but shouldn't Dominic also get an increase of +5 since Max helped him win?

And I will be betraying Roxanne forthwith

jack1974 Feb 20, 2014

I don't know if this is a bug or not. I was doing the Max X Rakesh path, and got up to the staring contest (Week 11, Wednesday). I have Rakesh up to 65 for the relationship. I decided to help Dominic. Max gives Rakesh a kiss, and this pleases him (+5 to Rakesh), but shouldn't Dominic also get an increase of +5 since Max helped him win?

It depends if Max got "ideas" with Rakesh :lol:

(the hidden variable is really called "maxideas"!) if he has, you'll see that, otherwise there's a variant and Dominic gets +5.

Lonestar51 Feb 20, 2014

*Have any of you gotten your partner to betray you? This is easier when playing as Anne with Max as your partnwr.

It seem impossible with Roxanne (when playing Max). But I won't give up yet!

Miakoda Feb 20, 2014

It depends if Max got "ideas" with Rakesh (the hidden variable is really called "maxideas"!) if he has, you'll see that, otherwise there's a variant and Dominic gets +5.

Glad to know it wasn't a bug (and as you can tell from all my other previous playthroughs, too much of this is getting to be memorized

)

Also, with regard to the Prisoner's Dilemma with Roxanne:

First time she interrupted, talking in the box about getting her vengeance, and Max saying the professor's hours were over.

So, it looks like it is working, at least on the Max path.

It does seem after betraying my partner, the character (whether Max or Anne) does have an erotic dream of sorts with Professor Tosque in Week 20 (as opposed to the normal Jade Monkey dreams the character has).

Lonestar51 Feb 20, 2014

What Do I need to do to get Roxanne to betray?

I tried giving the "wrong" answers about betrayal, and I tried skipping the learning scenes.

Did not work.

MrEnvy8 Feb 20, 2014

So the Tasque dream depends more on who you're dating than anything else. For example, lesbian Anne (Lesbianne? I'm sorry u_u) won't see the exotic dream. Unless it's been changed...

Anyway, right now the only way to get your partner to betray is to skip all the partner scenes after the first. I think that might be too hard to have happen though, so I think I want to include some additional impacts. It sounds like it's nigh impossible, so I'll be tweaking that.

Secondly, it seems like there's not enough temptation to the PD. So tonight I'll be adding a bonus of 400 grades if you get the best outcome (you betray partner doesn't). But, you'll lose 400 if the partner betrays and you don't. (Both betray gets a 200 boost, neither betray=no effect).

I hope that will give some more weight to the prisoner's dilemma, and some incentive to try out both versions. Not to mention give a bit of scheduling leeway.

jack1974 Feb 20, 2014

Seems a good plan to me

mizu_ki Feb 20, 2014

Whether you are playing as Max or Anne:

Massage in Isabella's room scene -

The following text box needs a Isabella header: "Ha, not really. This is something to get my partner all hot and bothered."

New route -

Picnic with Rakesh:

"He even breaks out the easel I gave him for Valentine's Day." - I gave him the paint set.

St. Patty's Day Dare:

Should Rakesh's sprite be covering Anne's when he gets up?

nightshadengale Feb 20, 2014

What determines whether Roxanne's partner betrays her if you do the prisoner's dilemma but partner with Anne? I remember I replayed that section a couple times trying to get my stats sorted out, picking almost the same choices, and it appeared to hinge either on whether you picked Truth or Dare on St. Patrick's day, or whether you got the best gift or the second best gift on Valentine's.

JoanneLakeMichigan Feb 20, 2014

Prisoner's Dilemma, etc. -

I played as Anne and chose Max for the Prisoner's Dilemma. He didn't betray me multiple times, but that's probably because his trust was reinforced by my answer to him when he asked if I had thought about it, him overhearing my answer to Roxanne in the kitchen, and not chasing after the Professor in the courtyard by the building Max was soon to be exiting from.

Also, I played as Lesbianne x Izzy and got both dreams in the classroom multiple times - The Professor of Love, and the funky monkey one

P.S. I forgot to thank you for writing Mr. E

P.S.S. That business is spoiler tagged

Maelora Feb 21, 2014

I always get the 'Professor of Love' dream with GayMax but LesbiAnne (loving that!) always gets the Indiana Jones one.

Oniyuri Feb 21, 2014

Version 0.9.1

Basically finished romancing all the characters when playing as Anne. I am still busy doing a few runs while trying different combinations of choices, etc.

Have you betrayed Roxanne and gotten her job interruptions at your advanced jobs?

If you mean where Roxanne's conversations appear in the activity window (and not something like with the one liners), then yes.

Have any of you gotten your partner to betray you? This is easier when playing as Anne with Max as your partnwr.

Yes, and I think I got all the possible combinations playing as Anne. Being betrayed, doing the betraying, both betraying and both not betraying with Roxanne and Max. And like you mentioned in a later post, I basically skipped all the partner events and also talked to Professor Tasque (but choosing to let him go) to get them to betray Anne.

Typos, etc.

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[*] game/oneliners.rpy 818: Anne says "about a great quandry" - to "quandary"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 1907: It reads "I smile as Rakesh Begins comparing" - lowercase "Begins"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 1920: Rakesh says "I think the life models will be much more use than the dead ones." - to "live"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2041: Anne says "All right, so what have you got so far" - end with question mark

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2095: Anne says "It's complete lockdown." - to "a complete"?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2118: It reads "what I've got done this year" - to "gotten"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2230: Carmen says "not to put to fine a point on it" - to "too"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2277: It reads "suspiciously body shaped lump" - to "body-shaped"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2302: Anne says "Um, professor Merriweather, are you sure" - capitalise "professor"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2903: Anne says "it would really be nice to if you would play for me" - remove "to"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 3591: It reads "He's really over selling it" - to "overselling"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 3662: It reads "take Rakesh's hand surreptitiously by the covers" - another preposition?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4149: It reads "simply sitting at an chair in front of a canvas" - to "in a"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4182: Rakesh says "plans for next years classes" - to "year's" (missing apostrophe)

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4192: It reads "at we finish off the last" - to "as"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4571: It reads "the ping pong tables being set up" - to "ping-pong"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4655: End with exclamation mark?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4790: It reads "I figure I'll get a bit while I study." - to "bite"?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4883: Sally says "Lot of fun though." - to "Lots"?

[*] game/endings_edit.rpy 59: It reads "walk back toward Latin house" - capitalise "house"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2678: It reads "change of pace from High School" - lowercase "High School"

[*] game/endings_edit.rpy 191: Anne says "Right here Car-car!" - to "Car-Car"

[*] game/endings_edit.rpy 217: It reads "No I know that I've got all my life" - to "Now"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 3448: Anne says "we also get a ping pong table" - to "ping-pong"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 1065: Anne says "That that didn't make me happy" - only one "that"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 651: Isabella says "Now where were, cutie?" - to "were we"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 660: It reads "People keep jostling me but after a while" - comma before "but"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 706: It reads "Now I'm face to face with some" - to "face-to-face"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 739: It reads "we can see is some suspiciously familiar coloured spiky hair" - commas before and after "coloured"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 745: It reads "Somebody else is leaned over him, drawing" - to "is leaning"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 755: Max says "tried the... punch -" - no space before the dash?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 766: It reads "drag him back to Latin house" - capitalise "house"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 3215: It reads "Oh he'll be fine once he" - comma after "Oh"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 3950: Anne says "good handle on the courseload" - to "course load"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 3951: Sally says "got a few Sociology classes this quarter" - lowercase "Sociology"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 5342: It reads "Rakesh grumbles but takes the bags" - comma before "but"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 2918: Isabella says "First though, what is that shampoo, you smell delicious!" - maybe replace comma after shampoo with question mark to make two sentences?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 9834: Anne says "Anne's measurements are..." - maybe put this in quotes as she is reading what Isabella wrote?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 9837: Anne says "Oh give me that pen!" - comma after "Oh"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 9841: Anne says "Oh it's on!" - comma after "Oh"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 9845: Isabella says "Isabella wears kitty panties on..." - maybe put this in quotes as she is reading what Anne wrote?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 9903: Isabella says "grades drop I lose my scholorship" - to "scholarship"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 10552: Anne says "maybe in ... um, more ways" - remove space before ellipsis?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11339: Isabella says "I'll find something to amuse me while you're away" - to "amuse me with"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11340: Isabella says "Oh now look who's acting" - comma after "Oh"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11362: Anne says "You may tease me a lot but I like" - comma before "but"

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11364: Anne says "show you around my home town" - to "hometown"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11369: Isabella says "the kind of place I grew up." - to "grew up in"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11809: Isabella says "Oh I can just see their reaction" - comma after "Oh"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11876: Anne says "dish it out, but you can't take, huh?" - to "take it"?

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 11883: It reads "yells 'truce!' and collapses" - capitalise "truce"?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 417: It reads "Isabella laughs and I can't help but giggling a little." - to "giggle"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 419: Carmen says "I'm sorry... did I..?" - missing a dot in the ellipsis

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 592: It reads "under the big shared TV" - comma after "big"?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 594: Isabella says "Oh you guys are going to" - comma after "Oh"?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 595: Isabella says "do my homework, mom would tune" - capitalise "mom"?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 951: It reads "antics you'd see in a movie.." - only two dots in the ellipsis

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 952: It reads "if i had another friend" - capitalise "i"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1213: Isabella says "but for now I'm just um..." - punctuation before "um"?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1220: It reads "research on the terms on the internet" - capitalise "internet"?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1221: Anne says "Do you mean you're Bisexual?" - lowercase "Bisexual"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1223: Isabella says "Rakesh is Bisexual, I'm definitely Pansexual. It's like being Bisexual" - lowercase words

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1272: Isabella says "It took me until High School to figure" - lowercase "High School"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1274: Anne says "girlfriend in High School" - lowercase "High School"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1297: Isabella says "to stress out over it, Okay" - lowercase "Okay"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 1298: Isabella says "got everything figure out" - to "figured"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 3040: Anne says "night at my parents place" - to "parents'" (missing apostrophe)

[*] game/oneliners.rpy 631: Isabella says "Oh, uh.... training." - one too many dots in the ellipsis?

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 5284: Isabella says "Pff...no." - space after ellipsis

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 5285: Isabella says "eat his cake and have it to" - to "too"

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 5308: Anne says "He thinks' you're some" - remove apostrophe

[*] game/scenes2_edit.rpy 5353: Anne says "just be cliche as all get out" - something missing from sentence?

[*] game/cg.rpy 271: Isabella says "No, no I don't think it is. heh." - capitalise "heh"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2629: Isabella says "a lot of stress worked up I need to get rid of" - to "up that I"?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 3176: Prof. Tasque says "Do you see the type of evil people I need to keep this from, Anne." - change full stop to question mark?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4045: Isabella says "We've always get next year." - to "We've always got"?

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4018: Isabella says "my friends know I'm pan-sexual" - to "pansexual"

[*] game/endings_edit.rpy 344: It reads "The water on my head feel fantastic" - to "feels"

[*] game/cg.rpy 290: It reads "as she pushes the aside the curtain" - remove "the"

[*] game/endings_edit.rpy 563: It reads "Now she's does publicity" - to "she"

[*] game/endings_edit.rpy 793: It reads "other women-I'd long since realized men weren't for me, of course- but" - space after the first dash and spaces before the dashes?

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Spaces before the dashes?
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[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4654: Anne says "without further ado- allow me to present"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 4654: Anne says "Another freshman, just like us-"

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 2873: Anne says "they just email back- we've got our place"

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Activity descriptions:
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[*] Record Store: "You're a terrible person who should feel awful about themself" - to "themselves"

[*] Cafeteria: "You're amazing Anne" - missing ending punctuation

[*] Pub: "This place is really jumping! This is fun" - missing ending punctuation

[*] Pub: "It's a nice atmostphere" - to "atmosphere"

[*] Cafe: "delights before you eyes. I'm not here to judge, I'm here to serve you" - to "your" and missing ending punctuation

[*] Cafe: "contents of a instant oatmeal" - to "an"

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Scheduler screen help: last sentence: "enough time to raise your the stats" - remove either "the" or "your".

Other stuff:

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[*] At game/endings_edit.rpy 488 it reads "It's hard to remember everybody these days... let's see..." and the next line is "Oh, but I've left out" at game/endings_edit.rpy 573, however if you didn't have enough points with any of the other characters (i.e. you ignored everyone except the person you were romancing), it may read a bit strangely (might just be me).

[*] game/scenes3_edit.rpy 1054: Anne's sprite changes from her swimsuit to her normal clothes.

[*] game/scenes1_edit.rpy 7912: Anne's sprite no longer has glasses.

[*] I thought the choice to play or skip the event on Week 12 - Friday (starts at game/scenes2_edit.rpy 3841) would appear when you're romancing Isabella, however it did not. Are there conditions for this to happen? Or is this a bug?

[*] I don't think I've gotten the choice to play or skip the event on Week 18 - Tuesday (starting at game/scenes3_edit.rpy 120

, although I am planning a few more playthroughs to test this. What are the conditions? Or is this a bug?

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Lonestar51 Feb 21, 2014

After thinking a bit about the prisoner dilemma sequence, I believe this is not what it says:

Prisoner Dilemma example:

Police stops two guys carrying firearms. The seperates them, and tells them:

One rats out: He is crown witness, goes free, the other spends six years in jail.

Both keep silent: 1 year each for posession of illegal firearm.

Both rat out: both get convicted, but only for three years because of confession.

The main point of the prisoner dilemma is that the hurt to the betrayed is worse that the benifit for the betrayer. Which means, both betray means the prisoners are worse off than both are faithful. The "warden" in the typical scenario has no interest other than to punish the prisoners.

In the game

both get a C if both betray - which means both pass without effort. If you play Anne you might care about grades, but usually what matters is pass/no pass. Thus there is a big temptation for the prisoners to coordinate a "break faith": If both ask for answers and the other knows/approves it, there will not be bad blood later on.

I can see how Prof. Tasque has a different motivation than the typical warden, thus setting up the scenario in a different way. It just moves the scenario outside the typical prisoner dilemma.

The same reasoning goes for the proposed rule change:

Secondly, it seems like there's not enough temptation to the PD. So tonight I'll be adding a bonus of 400 grades if you get the best outcome (you betray partner doesn't). But, you'll lose 400 if the partner betrays and you don't. (Both betray gets a 200 boost, neither betray=no effect).

Ah well, I get really nitpicky sometimes.

jack1974 Feb 21, 2014

mizu_ki: thanks, fixed everything you reported! The only thing I couldn't find is Rakesh covering Anne's sprite. When you see it on screen can you please press "i" key to display the line number in the code where it happens? so I can check better!

Onniyuri: thanks checked all the typos and fixed.

[*] I thought the choice to play or skip the event on Week 12 - Friday (starts at game/scenes2_edit.rpy 3841) would appear when you're romancing Isabella, however it did not. Are there conditions for this to happen? Or is this a bug?

No it appears only when you're romancing Sally or Dominic, not Isabella.

I don't think I've gotten the choice to play or skip the event on Week 18 - Tuesday (starting at game/scenes3_edit.rpy 120, although I am planning a few more playthroughs to test this. What are the conditions? Or is this a bug?

No you should get the choice, however it will play only in certain conditions: if you play as Anne and are romancing Dominic or Max (and have enough relationship with "the other") and if you play as Max and are romancing Isabella or Sally (like before, have enough relationship with "the other"). If you don't met those conditions will just display a generic texts (nobody is jealous).

jack1974 Feb 21, 2014

Ah well, I get really nitpicky sometimes.

Haha is no problem, feedback is always welcome. However at this point I'm not going to do any big changes to the game like rewriting this whole path, since is basically almost ready to ship. So maybe is not a prisoner's dilemma in the strict meaning of the term :mrgreen:

SparkleBits Feb 21, 2014

Sorry if this has already been mentioned

Anne's date with Rakesh

Week 14 Picnic date: the line is "I try out some goofy poses..." and on the top of the screen it says "Image 'i_anne' can't take parameters 'wink'. (Perhaps you got the name wrong?)"

jack1974 Feb 21, 2014

Ah no, will check this one. Or maybe just add a wink pose to Anne