The cat's out of the bag

blog post: http://www.winterwolves.net/blog/2015/09/planet-stronghold-colonial-defense-introducing-lola-and-romance-dlc/

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As I wrote in the blog, I was able to plan a DLC already mostly thanks to Miakoda incredible work. She was very fast (and writing of good quality) and she really wanted to offer even more romances, so we planned a DLC already.

This means that once the base game is done, I will be able to make the DLC in a reasonable amount of time (few months) since I should have all art/writing ready. I might even add some more gameplay/cards/missions, though I'm unsure about that yet (depends how the main game does).



Are you happy? the DLC will have as much romances as the base game!! Best DLC ever

I'm sorry Jack, but a CG doesn't equate a full romance. The "nice surprise" turned out to be a disappointment to me.



And lol at the Christophe being a romance, he should be purged with fire.

I really like Lola! So the added romances are Lola, Galina, Kaden and Christophe?

Galina!

I'm sorry Jack, but a CG doesn't equate a full romance. The "nice surprise" turned out to be a disappointment to me.

Well on the bright side, the news of UL "romance all sprites!" should make you happy

And lol at the Christophe being a romance, he should be purged with fire.

Haha indeed his romance is a bit... particular!

I really like Lola! So the added romances are Lola, Galina, Kaden and Christophe?

Yes exactly

Well on the bright side, the news of UL "romance all sprites!" should make you happy

Don't worry I understand it, it was free and added a romance to what seen to be the largest demographic of WW's games. While it still a sour taste its not a big deal, specially because there where others games that they had less romances (like PS and Roomates).

Two more female romances for Diana! *swoons* Thank you! <3 Lola.

This looks so sweet! I love romances a lot. But I think, if it's within your reach, it would be good to add a little bit more gameplay/cards/missions to round up the value of those too.



Can't wait to sink my teeth into this game! (Gonna play Diana as a start)

I'm going to be honest , I'm really dissapoint by this...and I don't where to begin.



I always knew that there is a big Yuri bias there is a lot more yuri game in production and I'm completly ok with this but there was several moment where this annoyed me.



I'm not the type to rant but I'm not the type to hide what I think



rant mode on



-when C14 yuri version was annonced because the artist and writer was supposed to work on SH2(an all combo romance game) if the goal was to make to make C14 a all-combo romance game I would have been okay with this but it isn't so an all combo romance game was push back for the sake of yuri.



-when in SOTW the GxG option got a special treatment with the all deceit thing, I was annoyed because you had to play a specefic romance to fight the hardest boss in the game but in this end I was okay with it because it's a small thing.



-I was most annoyed by this game, when this game was announced, it was a BxG and BxB game, but when someone ask to play has the girl, the game change direction to add a female protagonist which is great because more people can play the game and it is more than a VN because it has gameplay so the more romance combo the better but I was annoyed that it happened so easily because all the other time we say we want another protagonist or romance option we always get "please wait for X game" or something like it for exemple in this topic

I'm sorry Jack, but a CG doesn't equate a full romance. The "nice surprise" turned out to be a disappointment to me.

Well on the bright side, the news of UL "romance all sprites!" should make you happy

the game who wasn't the supposed to have yuri option end up having more option than every other combo option,the game was fair before DLC, now it isn't anymore.



I wish the bias stayed out of the all combo romance game.



rant mode off

And yes, Diana gets an extra romance but the extra CG Alex gets will be totally worth it, is probably one of the most beautiful image I've seen

-I'm pretty sure no one care that Diana has the same number of romance that Alex or not, I think most people care that every combo as the same number of romance option, so in this case it's not



Diana= 7 romance option

Alex=6 romance option +1 extra CG



it's



GxG=4 option

GxB=3 option

BxG=3 option+1 extra CG

BxB=3 option



what I mean by this is that you can add has much content has you want for Alex to compensated for the 1 less romance option if that content is BxG it mean nothing for the people who will play Alex for the BxB option so the fact that Alex got an extra CG with Mira is not really a good compromised. w

Well it wasn't one in the first place.



and I'm really dissapointed that Kaden isn't a BxB option, you ask us if we tought he was hot and hinted that he could be a DLC romance but didn't say if was going to be a BxB or a GxB option , without the precision and the fact that you didn't the question toward a certain public I tought he was going to be bi but I guess it was my own mistake to assumed such a thing, I should have ask back then.





I was hyped for the DLC romance, I'm not really anymore.

Well, you've all the rights to be disappointed from your point of view of course.

I know BxB has good potential but the real test will be with Heirs & Graces (I'm one of the few indies with a yaoi only game being developed right now BTW). If that one does well, you can expect more BxB stuff in future for sure, even if a lot depends also on writers/artist/etc. (not everyone writes yaoi).

For BxG, I already know that unless I go with very erotic stuff, it can't compete with the rest. But I'm still going to do it, since I want to TRY to make everyone happy, even if it's honestly I know it's an impossible goal

But what about the card game? Can it be romanced?



Nah, more content is fantastic, look forward to it, and happy to get more F/F romances. I am curious about the card game though, especially since that's pretty close to my favorite genre, but I guess that's for the future.

For the card game I'm still waiting for Anima to finish the framework, hopefully soon (tm)

Honestly, while I understand that some people are disappointed, it's amazing what happened with this game. Originally a TD game *, then first coder quit suddenly leaving me in a very shitty position. By pure luck found a great writer and artist who worked hard and in less than 1 year produced a lot of quality content.

Now I hope I can finish the game as I want, though I know will take some time to get the card system working properly. I've played a lot of Hearthstone recently so I think I know how to make it fun



* that's the reason originally I didn't plan a female main character, I thought the number of female players for TD games was low. Then decided to change my mind and luckily did, since it's not a TD game anymore

Well, you've all the rights to be disappointed from your point of view of course.

I know BxB has good potential but the real test will be with Heirs & Graces (I'm one of the few indies with a yaoi only game being developed right now BTW).

well it's kind of hard to predict the succes of heir and graces,just my opinion : there a lot BxB game that are sold real/extremely well, but most of the one who sold extremely well either have a fan base build over the years/a really good marketing luck/target a certain demographie/ good communication with yaoi/Bara/Gay community. In other word I guess its succes demand more on luck than potential but if you manage to build yourself a fanbase it will stay.

If that one does well, you can expect more BxB stuff in future for sure, even if a lot depends also on writers/artist/etc. (not everyone writes yaoi).

I'm not really fond of the vote with your wallet thing, but know that you say that I guess that the fact I bought most of your no BxB games works to supports you kind of work against me since it gave the impression I care more for GxB,GxG.

For BxG, I already know that unless I go with very erotic stuff, it can't compete with the rest. But I'm still going to do it, since I want to TRY to make everyone happy, even if it's honestly I know it's an impossible goal

I know but because that except for PS2(who has 4 BxG/GxB option but only 2BxB/GxG option),QoT and Amber who all are games that start developpement a long time ago, all the futur big game have the same number of romance, I was kind of expecting that it stay that way now and that I wouldn't see something like Roommates again, now I'm not so sure about that.

It's not like Lola f/f romance's inclusion happens at the expense of a male romance. It's simply an extra for f/f players. And it's going to be written for free on top of it so it isn't even something Jack planned. Would you have him turn down a free romance? As I'm used to f/f romances being added as an afterthought in a few otome games it makes me very happy to actually have more content for the first time. Ideally I would like for BxB players to have an extra romance too but...considering it was the writers decision with Lola I don't know if it's possible.



Honestly I'm just afraid Jack will decide to scrap Lola's f/f romance

Sorry Exizel, I really get it. There are so few games with any romance content for LGBT and the number of L are slowly going up but not for the G. Its like every person who makes these things we are on pins and needles. Believe you me, I constantly look for games with Lesbian content (and not weird lesbian content made for dudes) thats how I found Jack.



One reason I also get any MxM stuff is to support you guys, so I might make some noise on Tumblr/redditt so maybe people are more aware of Heirs and Graces. Its hard to find jack's stuff because he always labels it under yaoi/yuri which normally I avoid like the plague. If people realize its a gay game there may be more interest?

I know but because that except for PS2(who has 4 BxG/GxB option but only 2BxB/GxG option),QoT and Amber who all are games that start developpement a long time ago, all the futur big game have the same number of romance, I was kind of expecting that it stay that way now and that I wouldn't see something like Roommates again, now I'm not so sure about that.

I know, but the writer offered to write Lola x Diana for FREE, because she really liked the couple. It wasn't planned at all. One thing is if I made 2-3-4 more other romances vs yaoi, but in this case is JUST ONE more, and which I got for free. Everything else in this game is equal. Honestly, I don't think is such a big deal, also considering that as you said future games will have equal amount and I'm even making a yaoi only game I don't think I'm ignoring yaoi fans at all !

Also, it's not easy to find writers (of a certain quality) interested in writing yaoi as it's to find the other writing straight or yuri. But I'll do my best

It's not like Lola f/f romance's inclusion happens at the expense of a male romance. It's simply an extra for f/f players.

Exactly. Jack planned them all equally. The writer was simply VERY generous and offered to do an F/F route for free, if not Jack would never have agreed to pay as it is outside the plan. GxG is an incredibly tiny genre on it's own (it's not like we get a lot of games either, rather few in fact), that it is shocking someone would dredge up a Yuri vs Yaoi thingy (I know I wouldn't have made noise if the BxB folks got more). At least pick a combat size that is significantly bigger, if you have to!

Honestly I'm just afraid Jack will decide to scrap Lola's f/f romance

Hope not. But I will respect whatever the writer and Jack decides. I still think it would be a good idea to also add some gameplay stuff too based on feedback that people might want or find interesting.

No I'm not going to scrap it, I would be crazy to refuse

I think people also mistakenly say "there's a lot of yuri", because for example you see many games... (I'm not making names but you know what they are) which are just boobs/fanservice without any real love story. Those I call "yuri games made by men for men" but in the worst way possible, since I have male writers working on yuri games and are doing a great job.

Those games usually have a very deep plot and character development, like:

GirlA: Hey, how are you?

GirlB: Oops, my bra just exploded, have you seen my boobs?

GirlA: Wow! Let's f**k!

<insert porn CG>

The End!





I like sexy stuff myself, but I also want a story, and that's the harder part

No I'm not going to scrap it, I would be crazy to refuse

I think people also mistakenly say "there's a lot of yuri", because for example you see many games... (I'm not making names but you know what they are) which are just boobs/fanservice without any real love story. Those I call "yuri games made by men for men" but in the worst way possible, since I have male writers working on yuri games and are doing a great job.

Those games usually have a very deep plot and character development, like:

GirlA: Hey, how are you?

GirlB: Oops, my bra just exploded, have you seen my boobs?

GirlA: Wow! Let's f**k!

<insert porn CG>

The End!





I like sexy stuff myself, but I also want a story, and that's the harder part

Yes! Its why I love your stuff so much, but also why I think you don't get as many people sometimes who are looking for it. I see Yuri and I expect the intense plot above. I actually bought several of your games separately and initially missed out on others because I look for LGBT or lesbian, and usually avoid things labeled Yuri.



But Jack, you make games that can appeal to both, so as a lesbian I can believe these are lesbians and not a sexy alien misunderstanding of lesbians. Some things aren't perfect, but they dont need to be. I think thats why we are so intense when it comes to the options. Many LGBT movies/media have tragic endings or don't work out. So we get our douse of romance/legitamacy from here. I know I have watched 5 seasons of a show I was pretty meh about to get 10 seconds of a canon f/f pairing. And its nice to romance someone I want.



Although some stuff is slowly being more common for real f/f. Life is Strange you can kiss your friend, Last of Us DLC had Ellie and Riley. Gone Home is practically about discovering your sisters lesbian romance. Its not much but it is a slow recognition. Hopefully games like that may start coming up for gay men.



In the mean time I plan on buying what you come up with GxB BxG or whatever because you are one of the few I know routinely making LGBT content.

Thanks I was partly joking in what I wrote above.

And I know people are so upset because they care about it! The problem is that there are a lot of things going on "behind the scenes" and I can't always manage to do what I want. (see that artist guy a while ago for Spirited Heart that quit because didn't want to draw yuri/yaoi scenes... that screwed up the plan completely )